Thanks for a well set out reply, all sorted I think. I checked the bank details as you showed and there are none. True that if we had given permission they could be stored but we never do that, only because the risk of loss increases the more places they are. Also Auto renew is not turned on, just says active, so I will wait till it goes red and follow any payment links. I would rather do this manually every time so I know what is going on, we renew for 3 years so not really any trouble paying so seldom. Wouldn’t be without Kaspersky as low CPU user, not like others, we wouldn’t know it was there until needed. I am very very careful online, don’t use sites that even seem wrong, never click on something without checking. Even with that I have had Kaspersky stop an average of one problem a month, just phising and spyware downloads but sometimes from really well known sites, but otherwise would not have noticed this happening. Rarely anything with security scans as the online side stops it before it comes to that. Thanks again for the information.