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Okay sorry, but one more new oddity then I drop the matter. Now there is an icon, but a different icon for when the program is pinned vs not pinned, but more interestingly when I right click on either icon the context menu still has the blank white square.

That worked. Clicking on properties then 'change icon' it says 'can't find' etc but when that popup is closed there is the option to change the icon to anything. The bottom icon is fixed now, but out of curiosity I will leave the two desktop icons as white squares to see if they ever fix themselves. I'm still concerned about why Google has inordinate power over other programs like Kaspersky. It is a trivial issue compared to the 'public key cryptography' scam which gives a government complete access to everything, but it is still uncomfortable. I would 'mark as solution' your comment but that option is not anywhere on your comment, as it sometimes is on other comments. Thanks

Was hoping the cache would refresh by itself eventually, but after a week Kaspersky is still the only program that does not have an icon. Also the main 'Kaspersky Total Security' icon reappears when it is unpinned then disappears again when pinned.

TLDR Just going to leave Kaspersky without an icon and wait to see if it fixes itself but I am uncomfortable with the fact that only the Kaspersky icon disappeared after uninstalling Google Chrome and reinstalling it. I understand all antivirus companies are closely connected to Google, but Kaspersky should be less so, in my opinion. "ie4uinit -show" did not do it, so went to step 2 and followed the instructions at https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/deleting-the-iconcachedb-file/1f47e9ea-21d1-4c5a-9985-3d076bfd6606 The first suggestion " Open File Explorer and navigate to the following folder: C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer In the Explorer folder, you will see a lot of files with the iconcache name. Delete all of them." does not work, it says those files are in use and cannot be deleted, so went to second " Open elevated Command Prompt. (Win+X > Command Prompt (Admin)) Type the following command, and then press Enter: cd /d %userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer attrib –h iconcache_*.db del iconcache_*.db start explorer" tried that exact command with the correct user profile and many variations of the command and it did not work. So then found https://www.thewindowsclub.com/rebuild-icon-clear-thumbnail-cache-windows-10 " If you find that you are unable to delete these files, do the following. First, close all open programs. Next, open Task Manager, look for the process Windows Explorer, right-click on it and select End process. Next, from the File menu > select Run new task. Type cmd.exe, check the Create this task with administrative privileges box and press Enter." " Now type the following commands one after the other and hit Enter: cd /d %userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer attrib –h iconcache_*.db del iconcache_*.db start explorer This will rebuild your icon cache in Windows 11/10. If you want to delete and clear the Thumbnail cache, you will have to follow the same procedure as mentioned above, but finally, use these commands: cd /d %userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer attrib –h thumbcache_*.db del thumbcache_*.db start explorer which has a suggestion if no other options work, so it looks like that is necessary, but that's a little too complicated so I will leave Kaspersky without an icon. TLDR Just going to leave Kaspersky without an icon and wait to see if it fixes itself but I am uncomfortable with the fact that only the Kaspersky icon disappeared after uninstalling Google Chrome and reinstalling it. I understand all antivirus companies are closely connected to Google, but Kaspersky should be less so, in my opinion.

Chrome works and Cloudflare has updated now which is great, but no matter what I do the Kaspersky Total Security icons everywhere are white squares still. Even in the Windows 'all apps' window, and the usual trick of unpinning then repinning the app at the bottom of the screen has no effect. Kaspersky is a white square when it is pinned, then unpinned it has the normal green pentagon image then pin it and it again becomes a blank white square. The effect that Chrome has on Kaspersky has me concerned.

For the last week I've been trying to update Cloudflare WARP but get a message "xxx.tmp is not a valid Win32 something". Til this week it always updated fine. This morning I saw a warning on Kaspersky and it said Resolve with some choices. "C:\Users\*username*\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Cache\Cache_Data\f_005f4c" was a legitimate program that could be used maliciously" or something. I decided to delete it. Then Google started going haywire and I totally uninstalled Chrome, including user data, and reinstalled it. When it was reinstalled all the Kaspersky Antivirus links were whited out but the Kaspersky VPN and Password manager had proper icons still. Chrome even after reinstall does not work as before. It takes 100% cpu for a long time then after closing about 30 tabs in task manager and still 100% cpu after closing for a long time. Another oddity, after a scan Kaspersky had searched the "windows.old" folder and said it couldn't search some common folders like documents, pictures etc because they were password protected. I've never password protected any of the folders. It looks like another clean install unless I can figure out how to get Chrome back to normal, but I am concerned about why Chrome which I distinctly do not trust has some connection to the Kaspersky icons and causes them to disappear when Chrome is uninstalled.

One more point I'll add then I'll drop it finally. A technical point. The update sequence is a little different when a computer has the 'managed by your organization' flag. ~Normal sequence~ 1) update, computer says it needs to restart 2) restart computer 3) everything finished ~'managed by...' sequence~ 1) Update, computer says it needs to restart 2) restart computer 3) computer again says it needs to restart 4) restart computer a second time 5) everything finished For example 1) Yesterday I got a notification that "Intel - SoftwareComponent - 7.9.1.3" was installed and the computer needed to restart 2) restarted 3) After restart, again immediately needs another restart 4) Today a notice that "Intel - Extension - 7.9.0.0" needs the computer to restart for installation 5) restarted a while ago 6) Immediately after restarting, again computer needs to restart immediately Same thing happens with Windows updates. 7) After the last restart go to regedit and delete forcelist entry, see photo 8 everything finished Now I drop the matter Somebody will solve it at some point Edit to repeat the point, It happens regardless what settings or software you have. Happens whether you are using Mcafee, Norton, Kaspersky, etc happens after all software including Chrome has been removed, etc etc

You know English better than most people in English speaking countries, and if you speak another language than you know twice as many languages as almost everybody. Agreed that there is a deficiency in the phrase "managed by your organization", but more serious is the fact that until I reinstalled Windows I was not able to remove the registry entry chrome 'forceinstallist'. It would reappear every time the computer was restarted. Now it only reappears after each Windows update. Anyway, I'll drop this issue since it has existed for years and nobody on any site has a solution. Thanks for taking time to try and fix it.

Another much stranger example. Starting from the same website, but offline, some text was copied from the blurb about the article https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-01-aussie-physician-drops-dead-covid-vaccines-kids.html This was a) offline, and b) right clicking in the text to create a context menu to do a Google search of some highlighted text. When the "search on Google" context menu option was selected the popunder opened with the following address https://engine.4dsply.com/fp.engine?id=f8a09055-8feb-40d8-971a-2f23ccf2979c&rand=undefined&ver=async&time=480&referrerUrl=&subId=&tid=&abr=false&stdTime=-480&res=1600x900&fpe=1&curl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatreallyhappened.com%2FNEW%2F&kw=&spt=0 I don't know where that leads, not even curious, but the impact on the computer i.e., cpu is so obvious that it looks like the intent is to discredit the original site that is serving these popunders. Just a guess

Thanks, but I was referring to a different aspect of it. I understand that a) there are times when it is necessary or appropriate to control the parameters of software on a browser, and b) there are times when a browser in being managed by an employer or other organization, and that fact should be stated, but, as many people have pointed out on many online forums for at least several years, those two scenarios do not overlap in the way Microsoft is trying to overlap them. The specific example in this case, and in the case of many commenters online, involves a statement on Chrome that "Your browser is controlled by your organization" which is an explicit way of saying that there is a group of people who decide what is done with the browser etc rather than objective decisions made by software, like Kaspersky, and combined with the decisions of the owner of the computer. My point is simply that there must be some reason that this deception is allowed and/or encouraged. The net effect is mainly psychological, as far as I know, I have no idea about most technical stuff, but generally anything that can be accomplished by deception is better done another way. The secondary possibility is that it is not deception by Microsoft, and that there is some malicious actor, referred to as an 'organization' in the browser flag. Edit to add, reminder, the unusual thing I added to the conversation several posts ago is that there is no software that can be removed, and no setting that can be restored to default, to remove the issue. I had removed literally every piece of software from the computer including Windows updates, aside from 'service stacks' which could not be removed, and reset whatever I could, and still the registry entries would reappear when I restarted the computer.

Here is an example. Go to the site “https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/NEW/” and click on an article. A significant percentage of the time you will get a hidden pop under that you don't see until the main Chrome window is closed. ~Kaspersky forum will not let the pop under link be posted so it is not included in this post~ Also your computer will go up to 100% cpu until you close Chrome and re open it.

Here is an example. Go to the site “https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/NEW/” and click on an article. A significant percentage of the time you will get a hidden pop under that you don't see until the main Chrome window is closed. “https://api.apptap.com/link/buy/android/tile.thinkapollo/e1?clinkID=xKX18oO-j-Rqc0uH8_87eP_7T6l7OiCMopcJj7BWeNi6x_PFxSflPTZFdfc_UyTz3tF2IAHb&pubID=hvCtqYD-3KZQdRyWz_0wQ_3wUg&siteID=l_G0tcL80qkbbEuH-eIwROo&placementID=21811&trackingID=20b6be7f-9193-434c-a1b8-3d8fb2cb3318&creativeID=125181&loc.country=US&pub.placement_id=104993&partnerCampaignID=0500256_thinkapollo_US_NABOO_United_States_Leave_Behind_1&partnerCampaignID=53145&pub.city=Fairbanks&pub.sub_source=Conservative+News&cost.cpm=5.737654” Also your computer will go up to 100% cpu until you close Chrome and re open it.

In the last week or so suddenly neither Kaspersky nor Chrome are blocking pop unders. After a while it becomes strange that the computer is using high resources. On closing chrome main window a person sees a smaller sub window that had been hidden by the main window. Usually it is for a travel site or some other similar thing. Ten years ago this used to be common, but then those 'popunders' were blocked for a long time, now they are back. Any explanation why Kaspersky and Chrome do not block them?

Thanks, I usually delete the Chrome policy in regedit. The problem though is that Microsoft is a big company, and it seems odd that they would let such a hugely inaccurate piece of information on the computers of millions of people. The computer is a personal computer not an organization's computer. Thousands of people have mentioned the problem so millions probably have it. To leave such an inaccurate flag on so many computers Microsoft must have a motive?

It has been gone for several days, but just did a display driver update and after restarting the computer the registry again has the extension install forcelist entry. It's odd that so many people have this issue and there is no solution that lasts more than a few weeks.