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No one will be able to created antivirus for the OS.

 

I'm so mad, that if I continue writting, I'll get baned from this forums for using foul language.

 

Goes to say that everyone will stick with XP or go opencode, even major producers of everything!

 

THE WORLD OF FREE SOFTWARE IS AT HAND! PREPARE FOR THE BLADE THAT IS OPENSOURCE!

 

MUWAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Can't fix the problem - give up. That's MS's stance right here. Can't fix the OS so that people can install legitimate programs and block malicious ones, then don't let anyone install anything. Yea, that's not cool.

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Can't fix the problem - give up.  That's MS's stance right here.  Can't fix the OS so that people can install legitimate programs and block malicious ones, then don't let anyone install anything.  Yea, that's not cool.

WTF this maddness! if im forced to change to this im changing to ubuntu linux

 

cheers

dibdab

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No one will be able to created antivirus for the OS.

 

That's definitely something I don't beileve.

Edited by OoPee

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5399534.stm

 

No one will be able to created antivirus for the OS.

 

So, Vista is going to stop McAfee from loading garbage onto the system... this is bad, how?

 

As it sits, there are several AVs that work with the current RC.

Avast Beta works, TrendMicro Beta works... #@*& McAfee!

 

Who here wants McAfee or Symantec on their machine anyways? I sure don't!

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So tomorrow when someone releases a virus exploiting a backdoor in Vista, you won't be able to find a fix, because only Microsoft can access the kernel, and they will be the only ones who would be able to fix the problem.

 

I am sure there are anti-virus programs that on Vista that can clean things on anything other than system or kernel based locations, but once you get hit by the big bug... you'll only bet for help would be from Redmond.

 

This is not good.

 

Another article on this...

 

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/04/bus...eb.1004soft.php

 

-H

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The issue with this situation is that MS will have the ability to charge a service fee to use their OS because they always leave something out, allowing hackers (yea, sorry, I used that term incorrect......I know...) find various exploits, and instead of MS fixing the problem via Windows update immediately, they release an update to their virus scanner, which is subscription based. That's just wrong - it's their job to fix the places they screw up, and leave it to the A/Vs to provide the necessary protection that they left out.

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Personally, I don't listen to the "Chicken Little's" and their doomsday pontifications. What would get my attention would be a word directly from Kaspersky on this matter. At this juncture, I doubt they would be willing to say anything, especially if they are working with Microsoft on this issue. I am confident that everything is going to work out fine. If nothing else, life is too short to fret over what might be especially when I don't have any control over the outcome. :rolleyes:

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Personally, I don't listen to the "Chicken Little's" and their doomsday pontifications. What would get my attention would be a word directly from Kaspersky on this matter. At this juncture, I doubt they would be willing to say anything, especially if they are working with Microsoft on this issue. I am confident that everything is going to work out fine. If nothing else, life is too short to fret over what might be especially when I don't have any control over the outcome.  :rolleyes:

 

Well, when McAfee / Symantec join hand in hand, and go after MS, there is room to be worried. Those two are usually quiet over thing, but when they go public, it's a hint really.

 

I think last time such a thing happened was when Netscape went after MS, and you know the result.

 

Personally if MS blocks third party security apps, there is no way I'd upgrade to it from XP.

 

-H

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White lettering on a black background? How old is this guy? ;)

 

The perfect Firefox extension for viewing sites such as this and those of other 14 year-olds,

 

Read Easily 1.0.2

 

Thanks for the links, Mele.

 

BTW, sorry about my last two posts. I have a crushed disk, and until the drugs kick in, I am in kind of a cranky mood. :P:lol:

 

Ron :)

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I talked to a contact of mine at Trend Micro (since we bought our business solution from them), they know of Microsoft decisions, but they doubt MS will go that way, in the way that might affect Trend Micro.

 

So I guess this goes with all security developers, though I hope they're right.

 

-H

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White lettering on a black background? How old is this guy? ;)

 

The perfect Firefox extension for viewing sites such as this and those of other 14 year-olds,

 

Read Easily 1.0.2

 

Thanks for the links, Mele.

 

BTW, sorry about my last two posts. I have a crushed disk, and until the drugs kick in, I am in kind of a cranky mood. :P  :lol:

 

Ron :)

 

 

Stephen Toulouse is sort of bald so he's not a 14 year old! :P

http://www.eweek.com/slideshow_viewer/0,12...337&po=8,00.asp

 

I took a look at that Fx extension. I'll get it I think. I didn't have problems reading Toulouse's web page but I don't like white on black or psychedelic sites so the extension would probably be useful. Thanks.

 

Ouch...a crushed disk is a bad thing to have and very painful. Are you facing surgery for that? I hope you are better soon. I would be grouchy also if in your situation.

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I took a look at that Fx extension. I'll get it I think. I didn't have problems reading Toulouse's web page but I don't like white on black or psychedelic sites so the extension would probably be useful. Thanks.

You're welcome, Mele. If you use Firefox, Read Easily is really handy. I have a button next to the URL box, and just click to toggle CSS, color schemes, etc., on and off. Could not be easier.

 

Ouch...a crushed disk is a bad thing to have and very painful. Are you facing surgery for that?  I hope you are better soon. I would be grouchy also if in your situation.

Thanks. We will have to see about the surgery. I can walk, and lie down (somewhat), but sitting for long periods of time is difficult. The disk slips in and out, but lately it has been out more than in. I need to hire a masseuse. I wonder if Angelina Jolie is busy? :P:lol:

 

Ron :)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5399534.stm

 

No one will be able to created antivirus for the OS.

 

 

According to KL, it won't happen.

 

A Brazilian link here:

 

http://tecnologia.terra.com.br/interna/0,,...-EI4795,00.html

 

A translated English link here:

 

http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_...2&psubmit2.y=11

Edited by DonKid

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According to KL, it won't happen.

 

A Brazilian link here:

 

http://tecnologia.terra.com.br/interna/0,,...-EI4795,00.html

 

A translated English link here:

 

http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_...2&psubmit2.y=11

Thanks for the links, DonKid. A little lost in the translation, but IIUC, KL is not concerned about MS locking the vendors of third-party security apps out of access to the Vista kernel. That remains to be seen, of course, but it is nice that KL is optimistic about the future of securing Windows boxes.

 

On the other hand, this is a different matter: http://www.nist.org/news.php?extend.173

 

One bit of information about this that some may find disturbing is that McAfee is reporting that Microsoft knew about this and quietly added protection for it in Microsoft’s antivirus product 3 days ago. Yet apparently they took no efforts to warn the rest of the security community or other antivirus companies. Hopefully this topic gets more coverage because this is not how the other antivirus companies deal with threats.

If this is indeed true, what a bunch of creeps. I paid good money for MS Office including PowerPoint, and this is how they treat me? By refusing to allow me to patch my Office apps without purchasing a license for their garbage One Care Live suite? If MS is going to continue to play this game, KL, Symantec, McAfee and other vendors should take note indeed. How long will any of them survive if MS has a three-day head start on all exploits?

 

Ron :)

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According to KL, it won't happen.

 

A Brazilian link here:

 

http://tecnologia.terra.com.br/interna/0,,...-EI4795,00.html

 

A translated English link here:

 

http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_...2&psubmit2.y=11

 

Here's an English version of the article and the first few paragraphs:

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/wr_nm/..._kaspersky_dc_3

 

 

Microsoft is not trying to block access says Kaspersky By Astrid Wendlandt

Fri Oct 6, 1:59 PM ET

 

PARIS (Reuters) - Microsoft's new operating system Vista will not make it more difficult for anti-virus systems to work, Russian computer security group and potential IPO candidate Kaspersky Lab said on Friday, contradicting rivals.

 

In an open letter this week, U.S. anti-virus provider McAfee accused Microsoft of weakening users' protection by no longer co-operating with computer security groups and denying them access to the core of the Vista system.

 

"From what we have seen of Vista we cannot tell that Microsoft is blocking access to the core," Kaspersky Lab Chief Executive and co-founder Natalya Kaspersky told Reuters in an interview in Paris.

 

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well, i don't think this will be allowed, microsoft had to pay a huge fine in EU just for windows media player, and had to offer a reduced version of windows without it. Now the're are news that the EU asks ms to remove some of vista's safety features. So imagine what will happen if they don't allow access to the kernel.

 

 

I Agree ! :P

Not only the EU but all AV companies will react in case this becomes true.

Microsoft are always the latest to react when malware is involved :wub:

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The access to the kernel is possible, but MS doesn't want to admit it. They want us to use their One Care Live stuff...

Anyway, the anti-virus from One Care is Romanian made and I'm so damn proud to say that. It used to be GeCAD RAV.

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Totally agree on this one. What I do not understand is why doesn't Microsoft invent something. There is a website where they pay you 10.000$ if you can find something that Microsoft made (or invented).

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