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Всем привет.
Вопрос изложен в названии темы. Голосуем, высказываем свое IMHO
Вопрос изложен в названии темы. Голосуем, высказываем свое IMHO
I think it is a good idea. They have the rating system on the KLFanclub forum and it seems to work just fine
i say it's unneeded:
so how does having X reputation points help you, do they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
it's bound to create conflicts here where there's a larger community (eg asking/beging for reputation - seen it on other forums too)
so how does having X reputation points help you, do they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
it's bound to create conflicts here where there's a larger community (eg asking/beging for reputation - seen it on other forums too)
QUOTE(Lucian Bara @ 24.06.2007 14:22)
i say it's unneeded:
so how does having X reputation points help you, do they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
it's bound to create conflicts here where there's a larger community (eg asking/beging for reputation - seen it on other forums too)
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so how does having X reputation points help you, do they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
it's bound to create conflicts here where there's a larger community (eg asking/beging for reputation - seen it on other forums too)
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I agree 100% with Lucian on this one (had to happen sometime!
), it won't bring anything good with it, just like 13000 or 23000 posts says ZERO about any members abilties, this kind of rating will not either.IMHO, it will seperate members and will be a way to get back at someone you don't like which i thought we abandoned sometime ago....................................
I did not think of it from that perspective...
(Can I give you some kudos for that)?
(Can I give you some kudos for that)?
QUOTE(MAPKOBKA^^ @ 24.06.2007 15:03)
I did not think of it from that perspective...
(Can I give you some kudos for that)?
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(Can I give you some kudos for that)?
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No, thats what i'm trying to avoid!
I think that the forum administration had consciously removed all kinds of stuff that makes the forum less official. Generally it provides just posting and nothing more. I won't say it's bad..
FanClub has a bit relaxed rules. As for an Official site, I would say it is good as it is now
QUOTE(MAPKOBKA^^ @ 24.06.2007 22:01)
I think it is a good idea. They have the rating system on the KLFanclub forum and it seems to work just fine
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I think this idea just for Fanclub
gorod-xa... I am of the opinion that it is for fan club only too now after hearing the perfectly justified arguments, I just did not care to think of these reasons before I first posted .
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QUOTE(Maxim_VInfo @ 24.06.2007 11:51)
Всем привет.
Вопрос изложен в названии темы. Голосуем, высказываем свое IMHO
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Вопрос изложен в названии темы. Голосуем, высказываем свое IMHO
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Голосовал "Нет". Я согласен с моими англоязычными коллегами, что это ни к чему хорошему не ведёт (неприятная и нечестная конкуренция всякого рода). Я бы даже убрал переход с одного статуса на другой по количеству сообщений. Это ничего не говорит о качестве самых сообщений.
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I voted 'No'. I agree with my English-speaking colleagues, that this won't do any good (all kinds of unpleasant and unfair competition). I would even remove the status ranking according to the number of posts one writes. This doesn't say anything about the quality of those posts themselves.
Paul
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(неприятная и нечестная конкуренция всякого рода)
А какая может быть конкуренция? У каждого есть право голоса за сообщения другого участника. Если Ваше сообщение для меня оказалось полезным я поднимаю Вам рейтинг. Все просто.
Некая валюта благодарности или выражения своего недовольства по отношению к автору сообщения.
let me drop my 2 cents.
There is a great community, called Wilders Security Forums, probably some of you have been there. About 4 years ago they had a kind of reputation, if someone's reply was helpful - you would be given a "cookie" for that. It was fun to get the "cookies", I even fell in love with that and was spending lots of time composing "cookie-winning" answers.
Later, they decided to get rid of the reputation mechanizm for reasons I know not.
Cookies is a double edged sword. On the one hand it gives the posters motivation to post better. On the other hand, I agree with Lucian's opinion.
But I know wonderful forums, where there are no "reputation" and "number of posts". Some people stop being spammers and just enjoy communication and information exchange. Should we disable "Number of posts" just as experiment?
So, bottom line, "number of posts" is a mild/light reputation, that we already have. Let it be. As for reputation as a "fuzzy feeling giving factor", it is not forbidden to post and say "thank you!". We do not need the reputation to motivate people post better, they already do their best! We don't need the reputation as a new toy, its an official forum for serious people
Let's simply enjoy the communication!
There is a great community, called Wilders Security Forums, probably some of you have been there. About 4 years ago they had a kind of reputation, if someone's reply was helpful - you would be given a "cookie" for that. It was fun to get the "cookies", I even fell in love with that and was spending lots of time composing "cookie-winning" answers.
Later, they decided to get rid of the reputation mechanizm for reasons I know not.
Cookies is a double edged sword. On the one hand it gives the posters motivation to post better. On the other hand, I agree with Lucian's opinion.
But I know wonderful forums, where there are no "reputation" and "number of posts". Some people stop being spammers and just enjoy communication and information exchange. Should we disable "Number of posts" just as experiment?
So, bottom line, "number of posts" is a mild/light reputation, that we already have. Let it be. As for reputation as a "fuzzy feeling giving factor", it is not forbidden to post and say "thank you!". We do not need the reputation to motivate people post better, they already do their best! We don't need the reputation as a new toy, its an official forum for serious people
Let's simply enjoy the communication!
Hi Igor
That's not such a bad idea actually, i agree.
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Should we disable "Number of posts" just as experiment?
That's not such a bad idea actually, i agree.
Dont see why not, you can set my rank to "noob of the forest" if you like it wouldn't stop me from posting 
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That's not such a bad idea actually, i agree.
Lucian, I suspect that after 20 thousand posts it does not matter anymore, huh?
no, not really
if this is actually done, it will be nice to have the posts up until, lets say 50, counted (things which equivalen to junior). makes it easier to track bots & stuff like that.
if this is actually done, it will be nice to have the posts up until, lets say 50, counted (things which equivalen to junior). makes it easier to track bots & stuff like that.
QUOTE(Lucian Bara @ 2.07.2007 13:40)
no, not really
if this is actually done, it will be nice to have the posts up until, lets say 50, counted (things which equivalen to junior). makes it easier to track bots & stuff like that.
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if this is actually done, it will be nice to have the posts up until, lets say 50, counted (things which equivalen to junior). makes it easier to track bots & stuff like that.
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But then we have people spamming to get up to 50 posts to get rid of their "newbie" status
QUOTE(MAPKOBKA^^ @ 2.07.2007 16:12)
But then we have people spamming to get up to 50 posts to get rid of their "newbie" status
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spam bots & spammers with kaspersky sucks, get your free keys here won't live that long.
QUOTE(Igor Kurzin @ 2.07.2007 14:55)
let me drop my 2 cents.
There is a great community, called Wilders Security Forums, probably some of you have been there. About 4 years ago they had a kind of reputation, if someone's reply was helpful - you would be given a "cookie" for that. It was fun to get the "cookies", I even fell in love with that and was spending lots of time composing "cookie-winning" answers.
Later, they decided to get rid of the reputation mechanizm for reasons I know not.
Cookies is a double edged sword. On the one hand it gives the posters motivation to post better. On the other hand, I agree with Lucian's opinion.
But I know wonderful forums, where there are no "reputation" and "number of posts". Some people stop being spammers and just enjoy communication and information exchange. Should we disable "Number of posts" just as experiment?
So, bottom line, "number of posts" is a mild/light reputation, that we already have. Let it be. As for reputation as a "fuzzy feeling giving factor", it is not forbidden to post and say "thank you!". We do not need the reputation to motivate people post better, they already do their best! We don't need the reputation as a new toy, its an official forum for serious people
Let's simply enjoy the communication!
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There is a great community, called Wilders Security Forums, probably some of you have been there. About 4 years ago they had a kind of reputation, if someone's reply was helpful - you would be given a "cookie" for that. It was fun to get the "cookies", I even fell in love with that and was spending lots of time composing "cookie-winning" answers.
Later, they decided to get rid of the reputation mechanizm for reasons I know not.
Cookies is a double edged sword. On the one hand it gives the posters motivation to post better. On the other hand, I agree with Lucian's opinion.
But I know wonderful forums, where there are no "reputation" and "number of posts". Some people stop being spammers and just enjoy communication and information exchange. Should we disable "Number of posts" just as experiment?
So, bottom line, "number of posts" is a mild/light reputation, that we already have. Let it be. As for reputation as a "fuzzy feeling giving factor", it is not forbidden to post and say "thank you!". We do not need the reputation to motivate people post better, they already do their best! We don't need the reputation as a new toy, its an official forum for serious people
Let's simply enjoy the communication!
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А по-русски?
Хотя бы вкратце...
Конечно можно:
Исправил чутка перевод, надеюсь никто не в обиде /Igor Kurzin/
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Что я думаю по поводу репутации и иже с ней:
Есть некий форум\коммьюнити под названием Wilders Security Forums. Многие из вас наверно там бывали. Примерно четыре года назад у них была подобная штука как репутация. Участник, написавший хороший и полезный ответ, мог получить "печеньку". Это было настолько забавно, что я сам потратил немало времени работая над своими ответами, чтобы заработать побольше "печенек".
Затем по какой-то причине они решили отказаться от "репутации".
"Печеньки" это палка в двух концах. С одной стороны это дает пользователем мотивацию для хороших постов. А с другой стороны могут начаться торги и выпрашивание этих самых "печенюшек".
Знаю пару хороших форумов где нету счетчика постов и репутации. Там никто не заморачивается, все спокойно делятся мнениями. Нет опасности что кто-то заболеет "спамерской болезнью" и начнет работать на количество постов.
Может и на нашем форуме отключить кол-во постов в качестве эксперимента?
Итак, счетчик постов - это легкая форма репутации, которая у нас уже есть. Что касается того, что отвечающему приятно получить признание своих трудов - то всегда у вопрошающего есть возможность написать "Спасибо!". Чем плох такой механизм мотивации? Нам не нужна репутации как мотивационный механизм, у нас и так все мотивированы дальше некуда! РЕпутация как новая игрушка тоже не нужна, потому что это официальный форум для серьезных людей!
Так давайте наслаждаться общением!
Есть некий форум\коммьюнити под названием Wilders Security Forums. Многие из вас наверно там бывали. Примерно четыре года назад у них была подобная штука как репутация. Участник, написавший хороший и полезный ответ, мог получить "печеньку". Это было настолько забавно, что я сам потратил немало времени работая над своими ответами, чтобы заработать побольше "печенек".
Затем по какой-то причине они решили отказаться от "репутации".
"Печеньки" это палка в двух концах. С одной стороны это дает пользователем мотивацию для хороших постов. А с другой стороны могут начаться торги и выпрашивание этих самых "печенюшек".
Знаю пару хороших форумов где нету счетчика постов и репутации. Там никто не заморачивается, все спокойно делятся мнениями. Нет опасности что кто-то заболеет "спамерской болезнью" и начнет работать на количество постов.
Может и на нашем форуме отключить кол-во постов в качестве эксперимента?
Итак, счетчик постов - это легкая форма репутации, которая у нас уже есть. Что касается того, что отвечающему приятно получить признание своих трудов - то всегда у вопрошающего есть возможность написать "Спасибо!". Чем плох такой механизм мотивации? Нам не нужна репутации как мотивационный механизм, у нас и так все мотивированы дальше некуда! РЕпутация как новая игрушка тоже не нужна, потому что это официальный форум для серьезных людей!
Так давайте наслаждаться общением!
Исправил чутка перевод, надеюсь никто не в обиде
/Igor Kurzin/
Igor 
So, anyone got comments about our shiny (or not so shiny) stars?
QUOTE(Whizard @ 5.07.2007 03:55) 
Igor
Tell me, did you give a five start rating to anyone on this forum? I mean, is this feature used at all?
QUOTE(Igor Kurzin @ 15.11.2007 22:02)
Tell me, did you give a five start rating to anyone on this forum? I mean, is this feature used at all?
I gave five to you
I voted NO, simply on the basis of technical merit. It is easy to sway opinions because of a bad day or something negative in nature. Let the posting history determine the quality of each participant.
Answer's no here for me... whats no by the way in russian? Google translator says its the bottom one... correct or not?
Da, you are correct... its the bottom one
Da= yes
Net=no
Da= yes
Net=no
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