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ratface
I'm looking for something that's at least as secure as Sygate Pro that isn't buggy, and is compatible with KAV. Any recommendations?

Thanks
p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 9.05.2007 20:40)
I'm looking for something that's at least as secure as Sygate Pro that isn't buggy, and is compatible with KAV. Any recommendations?
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Free or Paid?

Paul
ratface
QUOTE(p2u @ 9.05.2007 11:42)
Free or Paid?

Paul
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Either one, I'm just interested in the best.
p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 9.05.2007 20:48)
Either one, I'm just interested in the best.
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Your best choice would be to upgrade to KIS to avoid compatibility issues. Users of Kaspersky products can give you info on how to upgrade.
The best paid 'third-party' firewall is probably Outpost, although on the Russian forum compatibility problems have been reported. That seems to depend on the hardware you have.
The best free firewall that is compatible with Kaspersky is Comodo (it's even better than most paid versions).

Paul
ratface
QUOTE(p2u @ 9.05.2007 11:52)
Your best choice would be to upgrade to KIS to avoid compatibility issues. Users of Kaspersky products can give you info on how to upgrade.
The best paid 'third-party' firewall is probably Outpost, although on the Russian forum compatibility problems have been reported. That seems to depend on the hardware you have.
The best free firewall that is compatible with Kaspersky is Comodo (it's even better than most paid versions).

Paul
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So there's no decent paid firewall (third-party) that is known to be compatible with KAV, that doesn't have any hardware issues? sad.gif
p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 9.05.2007 21:04)
So there's no decent paid firewall (third-party) that is known to be compatible with KAV, that doesn't have any hardware issues? sad.gif
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It would be a bit extreme to put it that way. I just prefer to be on the safe side, not to see you here again with trouble. wink.gif Some people are very lucky with Outpost. ZoneAlarm 7+ is a big don't, I know that for sure.
P.S.: The Firewall in Kaspersky Internet Security is decent enough, I can tell you that. Besides, KAV is also present in that suite... smile.gif
Here's a review:
http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-p...rity-6.0.2.614/
And believe me, the guys at matousec are not easy-going when it comes to testing. wink.gif

Paul
dawgg
QUOTE(p2u @ 9.05.2007 18:09)
And believe me, the guys at matousec are not easy-going when it comes to testing. wink.gif
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hmmm... just read reviews from Firewalls from matousec from the bottom of this page...
http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-p...sis/results.php
... looks like you're right, they bash every single firewall, but Kaspersky is "one of the best that are available today" and the only one it recommends... nice one smile.gif
ratface
QUOTE(p2u @ 9.05.2007 12:09)
It would be a bit extreme to put it that way. I just prefer to be on the safe side, not to see you here again with trouble. wink.gif Some people are very lucky with Outpost. ZoneAlarm 7+ is a big don't, I know that for sure.
P.S.: The Firewall in Kaspersky Internet Security is decent enough, I can tell you that. Besides, KAV is also present in that suite... smile.gif
Here's a review:
http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-p...rity-6.0.2.614/
And believe me, the guys at matousec are not easy-going when it comes to testing. wink.gif

Paul
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Okay, thanks. I'll check back here later to see if anyone else has had luck with something other than Outpost. I read something that ruled out Comodo for me, and Outpost went buggy on me once. As for KIS, I greatly prefer separate components, so if something goes wrong with the AV, the firewall is still in place. (A new software or hardware upgrade in the future could cause incompatiblities with KIS.) Sygate Pro has always been as stable as a rock, and it passes all leak tests. Just my luck that it doesn't work with KAV.
p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 9.05.2007 21:40)
Sygate Pro has always been as stable as a rock, and it passes all leak tests. Just my luck that it doesn't work with KAV.
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Sygate is also among my favorites, especially because of the extensive log options...

Paul
CartmanEck
Well, I tested Comodo and it worked well. The reviews for it were very good and it the leaktest results are excellent. So you may try out this one. It's for free. The rest was already mentioned by p2u and dawgg. wink.gif
Sjoeii
best is KIS.
If you would like a seperate one than go for Comodo or Sygate.
p2u
QUOTE(Sjoeii @ 10.05.2007 00:05)
best is KIS.
If you would like a seperate one than go for Comodo or Sygate.
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That's his problem: Sygate is incompatible with KAV... sad.gif

Paul
Sjoeii
QUOTE(p2u @ 9.05.2007 22:10)
That's his problem: Sygate is incompatible with KAV... sad.gif

Paul
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Two choices left. KIS or Comodo wink.gif
RadarpSP
QUOTE(Sjoeii @ 9.05.2007 22:40)
Two choices left. KIS or Comodo wink.gif
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I add two more: Looknstop and jetico. That are for expert users, but you can set and filter tcp packets by flags, for example.
Maybe an option is windows firewall, very very easy.
Also, you can install Astaro in a old box.
aroon7651
Hi ratface well on my opinion kav its fully compatible {with ZoneAlarm Firewall} and i think that's the best combination smile.gif
ratface
QUOTE(RadarpSP @ 9.05.2007 15:59)
I add two more: Looknstop and jetico. That are for expert users, but you can set and filter tcp packets by flags, for example.
Maybe an option is windows firewall, very very easy.
Also, you can install Astaro in a old box.
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I've heard of both of those firewalls, does anyone of some good third party review sites for firewalls? (I can't use the Windows firewall after seeing a review on it.)
ratface
QUOTE(aroon7651 @ 9.05.2007 16:05)
Hi  ratface  well  on my opinion  kav its fully compatible  {with ZoneAlarm Firewall}  and i think that's the best combination      smile.gif
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Hi aroon7651,

I would love to be able to use ZoneAlarm Pro since I can't use Sygate Pro, but it's been said that KAV isn't compatible with it. Have you had some personal experience with it recently? I'm using the 2005 XP Media Edition OS with the latest updates, a video card, sound card, 1 GB of ram, and over 3 GHz for the processor.
ratface
QUOTE(ratface @ 9.05.2007 17:29)
I've heard of both of those firewalls, does anyone of some good third party review sites for firewalls? (I can't use the Windows firewall after seeing a review on it.)
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Too late to edit this again. smile.gif I left out the word "know" above. It should read "does anyone know of some good third party review sites for firewalls?"
Nicola S
Dear All,

I used Comodo Firewall Pro (it's completely free) until some months ago, when I finally found the great KIS.

Comodo F P is a free good product.

Stay tuned,
___Nicola____
Littlem129
QUOTE(ratface @ 9.05.2007 19:54)
Too late to edit this again. smile.gif I left out the word "know" above. It should read "does anyone know of some good third party review sites for firewalls?"
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Ratface,
You could try reading the user reviews for firewalls on Download.com.

You can get some good info there.

Sunbelt Kerio is compatiable with KAV. It's pretty safe if you know how to configure it.

KIS is the best IMO. biggrin.gif
Whizard
KIS, since it is completely integrated smile.gif
p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 10.05.2007 03:54)
Too late to edit this again. smile.gif I left out the word "know" above. It should read "does anyone know of some good third party review sites for firewalls?"
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There are some good sites, but all they will tell you is that one firewall is even better than the other, but the compatibility of KAV and that firewall WILL NOT discussed anywhere. As a technical review, the matousec link I gave you is really the most reliable; no snake oil.

Paul
p2u
QUOTE(aroon7651 @ 10.05.2007 01:05)
Hi  ratface  well  on my opinion  kav its fully compatible  {with ZoneAlarm Firewall}  and i think that's the best combination      smile.gif
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Would you care to mention your KAV version and your ZoneAlarm version, aroon7651? Maybe it's time then you participated on the Russian forum, since they report nothing but trouble there; from BSoD to dead Internet connections...

Paul
p2u
QUOTE(RadarpSP @ 10.05.2007 00:59)
I add two more: Looknstop and jetico. That are for expert users, but you can set and filter tcp packets by flags, for example.
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I second that opinion: Looknstop and Jetico are very good products but require more knowledge, that's why I didn't mention them.
So now we have the following options:
KIS
Outpost
Comodo
Kerio
LooknStop
Jetico

I myself am running the inbuilt Windows Firewall (I don't believe in Outbound protection), but you can do that only if you have configured your OS for maximum security. Against Inbound attacks it's enough though.

Paul
Bubba1
QUOTE(RadarpSP @ 9.05.2007 16:59)
I add two more: Looknstop and jetico. That are for expert users, but you can set and filter tcp packets by flags, for example.
Maybe an option is windows firewall, very very easy.
Also, you can install Astaro in a old box.
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I've never installed either of these, though I've read good things about Jetico. If I'm not mistaken, it was listed as the second best, behind Comodo, in the leak-test results from matousec. And, I read that it comes pre-configured with some very solid rule-sets.

I used free ZA for years. Never could get Outpost to work well .. it was buggy on my box. I liked Comodo. Probably my favorite, certainly aesthetically, though it's often reported as weak, is Sunbelts Kerio. I just recently uninstalled Avira's suite. Among other things (like burner software incompatibilities), it's FW component is reported very weak.

Right now, KIS is showing me lot's of love. Ratface, I'd suggest trialling KIS .. there's much to be said for component integration.
Don Pelotas
QUOTE(p2u @ 10.05.2007 07:16)
I second that opinion: Looknstop and Jetico are very good products but require more knowledge, that's why I didn't mention them.
So now we have the following options:
KIS
Outpost
Comodo
Kerio
LooknStop
Jetico

I myself am running the inbuilt Windows Firewall (I don't believe in Outbound protection), but you can do that only if you have configured your OS for maximum security. Against Inbound attacks it's enough though.

Paul
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Paul, if i'm not mistaken.....the free PC-Tools firewall is a LookNstop clone, maybe you have some info whethr this is true or not?
Sjoeii
QUOTE(Don Pelotas @ 10.05.2007 09:31)
Paul, if i'm not mistaken.....the free PC-Tools firewall is a LookNstop clone, maybe you have some info whethr this is true or not?
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From my information this is true.
I saw it on the pctools forum
p2u
QUOTE(Don Pelotas @ 10.05.2007 11:31)
Paul, if i'm not mistaken.....the free PC-Tools firewall is a LookNstop clone, maybe you have some info whethr this is true or not?
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As always, you are not mistaken... wink.gif
Art. 1: The global moderator is always right.
Art. 2: If, all of a sudden, the global moderator turns out to be wrong, see Art.1

Paul
Don Pelotas
You're too kind and correct of course! tongue.gif
Sjoeii
Haha
You are too kind to eachother.
Is this part of the Kaspersky love virus? wink.gif
Piston Ron
QUOTE(p2u @ 10.05.2007 01:16)
I second that opinion: Looknstop and Jetico are very good products but require more knowledge, that's why I didn't mention them.
So now we have the following options:
KIS
Outpost
Comodo
Kerio
LooknStop
Jetico

I myself am running the inbuilt Windows Firewall (I don't believe in Outbound protection), but you can do that only if you have configured your OS for maximum security. Against Inbound attacks it's enough though.
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I have used Jetico PFW 1 with KAV 6 MP0.

http://www.jetico.com/jpfirewall.htm

It seemed to work well, but as others have noted, it is not for the faint of heart. And one of the knocks (not for me) is that the rules are not importable. I have not tried Jetico PFW 2 yet. Perhaps I will before I upgrade to KIS/KAV 7.

http://www.jetico.com/jpf2.htm

I have used the Sunbelt-Kerio PFW 4.3 (I still have a license for it) with KAV 6 MP0, and I liked it as well as any that I have used.

Note that some of the poor ratings for several of the PFWs have to do with leak-testing, and none of that means anything to me. Like Paul, I only use a PFW for inbound protection. Except when I am evaluating PFWs for nag factors. tongue.gif

ISTM that the most important factors in choosing a PFW are 1) absolutely, positively no flaws WRT inbound protection, 2) absolutely, positively no vulnerabilities introduced by merely installing the PFW, and 3) the PFW has the ability to protect itself against shut-down, modification and tunnelling. If a PFW fails on any of these, then IMHO, the Windows FW is a better choice.

Ron smile.gif
laserlight
I have been using Avast! Home with the Windows Firewall for some time, recently decided to change to a KAV6 + Comodo combination. I installed Comodo first, and when I started to install KAV6, the installer told me that Comodo was incompatible with KAV6, and refused to proceed until I uninstalled Comodo.

So, is Comodo really compatible with KAV6?

I am running Windows XP SP2, if that information is of any use.
Littlem129
QUOTE(laserlight @ 11.05.2007 11:54)
I have been using Avast! Home with the Windows Firewall for some time, recently decided to change to a KAV6 + Comodo combination. I installed Comodo first, and when I started to install KAV6, the installer told me that Comodo was incompatible with KAV6, and refused to proceed until I uninstalled Comodo.

So, is Comodo really compatible with KAV6?

I am running Windows XP SP2, if that information is of any use.
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There are some running KAV and Comodo together.

Try installing KAV first then install Comodo.

It should work then. smile.gif
steve195527
Hi
Are you using a router with a built in firewall,if you are all you really only need to bother about is the outbound protection(you can configure some routers for this but it is a pain!)provided by a software firewall,I use LnS with internet filtering disabled,the application filterng informs you if anything is trying to access the net,and is seems to work well:-very light a lot lighter than comodo,which I tried for a good while but went back to LnS as it seemed better overall FOR ME
Chataro
Hi, All.

It's true Third-Party Firewall is good and compatible with KAV, but in my opinion, I like KIS the best because of integrity and Support. smile.gif

When an unexpected trouble and conflict happens, it is difficult to analyze the reason correctly and decide which products are to blame for and who to ask for help. ohmy.gif

And about Zone Alarm 7, Outpost Firewall Pro, Jetico 2 Beta is now under developing and is not the final build now.

Best Regards,
laserlight
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There are some running KAV and Comodo together.

Try installing KAV first then install Comodo.

I read through the other threads concerning Comodo+KAV6 as well, and tried it out. I can confirm that so far, Comodo works with KAV6 if it is installed after KAV6 and both made to reciprocate trusted application status.

Thanks for the help smile.gif
ciderman77
Hello!

I would have to say KIS. Comodo is also very solid firewall. You have install KAV first and then comodo.
ratface
Wow, this has turned into a very informative thread! I'm sure it will help a lot of people who have incompatibility problems with KAV and their existing firewall. Thanks to all the people who have contributed. All these options make it a lot easier for me to give up Sygate Pro in order to use KAV.
iokomo
Indeed, KIS would be wise!

Why want two programs if you can have both in 1 and from same company (no conflicts)??

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oldsod
Hi

ZA should work okay, but please do not use the ZA Free version 7. It has the ZAISS underneath it. That ZAISS has the KAV components included and it will very possiblely conflict the KAV6. Instead use the ZA Free 6.5 or the ZA Free 6.1

Best regards.
Oldsod
ratface
QUOTE(iokomo @ 11.05.2007 21:00)
Indeed, KIS would be wise!

Why want two programs if you can have both in 1 and from same company (no conflicts)??

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Because third party programs are available that also don't have conflicts, and a lot of people may prefer Comodo for example, because it has features or performance they like more than what they'd get with KIS. And some people prefer to have a separate firewall in case something conflicts with KAV. Because then they would still have a firewall in place. With KIS, you would lose your firewall and AV at the same time. But I'm still considering KIS anyway.
ratface
QUOTE(oldsod @ 11.05.2007 22:38)
Hi

ZA should work okay, but please do not use the ZA Free version 7. It has the ZAISS underneath it. That ZAISS has the KAV components included and it will very possiblely conflict the KAV6. Instead use the ZA Free 6.5 or the ZA  Free 6.1

Best regards.
Oldsod
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The Russian forum has a lot of reports about Zone Alarm conflicts, but I'm wondering now if it may be due to Russian made computers. I'm going to reformat and install KAV first, then the firewall Zone Alarm Pro 7.0 and see what happens. Because I think under these conditions, there's a possibility it might work. If it doesn't, then I'll probably trial KIS after another reformat.

I know the ZA AV has the Kaspersky engine, but you're saying the free ZA firewall has KAV components?? What about ZA Pro?
Whizard
Just the modified AV Core, no other components smile.gif
Lagerx
QUOTE(ratface @ 12.05.2007 07:44)
The Russian forum has a lot of reports about Zone Alarm conflicts, but I'm wondering now if it may be due to Russian made computers. I'm going to reformat and install KAV first, then the firewall Zone Alarm Pro 7.0 and see what happens. Because I think under these conditions, there's a possibility it might work. If it doesn't, then I'll probably trial KIS after another reformat.

I know the ZA AV has the Kaspersky engine, but you're saying the free ZA firewall has KAV components?? What about ZA Pro?
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I have ZA pro and it works well with KAV 6.0.2.621.
ratface
QUOTE(Whizard @ 11.05.2007 23:48)
Just the modified AV Core, no other components smile.gif
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So the ZA firewall has some regular type virus detection capabilities?? Hmm, I can see how that could cause conflicts, since KAV doesn't like any other programs performing any type of virus detection, right?
ratface
QUOTE(Lagerx @ 11.05.2007 23:49)
I have ZA pro and it works well with KAV 6.0.2.621.
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The 7.0 version??
p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 12.05.2007 09:01)
The 7.0 version??
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Hi, ratface!

You are free to use ZoneAlarm, of course, it's a nice firewall. I found some information about programs that are known to cause trouble and under what circumstances:
http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=193239260
Keep in mind, however, that this list is not complete, and that some things may depend on your hardware configuration and on how well you removed previous security solutions.

Paul
ratface
QUOTE(p2u @ 12.05.2007 00:10)
Hi, ratface!

You are free to use ZoneAlarm, of course, it's a nice firewall. I found some information about programs that are known to cause trouble and  under what circumstances:
http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=193239260
Keep in mind, however, that this list is not complete, and that some things may depend on your hardware configuration and on how well you removed previous security solutions.

Paul
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Hi Paul,

Great link/info, but it doesn't mention Sygate. And when I installed KAV, it prevented Sygate from connecting to the Internet properly. But I'll report back here if it works. (KAV for my AV and Zone Alarm Pro for my firewall are my TOP choices.)

ratface (aka possumface)
iokomo
QUOTE(ratface @ 11.05.2007 22:23)
Hi Paul,

Great link/info, but it doesn't mention Sygate. And when I installed KAV, it prevented Sygate from connecting to the Internet properly. But I'll report back here if it works. (KAV for my AV and Zone Alarm Pro for my firewall are my TOP choices.)

ratface (aka possumface)
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GL, i had that combo for a while too and it wasn't working too well for me.

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p2u
QUOTE(ratface @ 12.05.2007 09:23)
Hi Paul,

Great link/info, but it doesn't mention Sygate. And when I installed KAV, it prevented Sygate from connecting to the Internet properly. But I'll report back here if it works. (KAV for my AV and Zone Alarm Pro for my firewall are my TOP choices.)

ratface (aka possumface)
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That's probably because Sygate is no longer supported by anyone after Symantec bought it out...

Paul
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