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Khabarov
post 2.12.2005 04:06
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People, what do you think the better product : Kaspersky or Norton , but if you say Kaspersky , I wanna ask why Norton best seller in the World?
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Ivorr
post 2.12.2005 06:27
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Kaspersky simply KILLS Norton. It uses better and newer technologies, it's detection rate is higher in possibly every kind of malware and viroses imaginable and (as already said...) is also a lot lighter on the system resources than Norton and also is the world's fastest Anti-Virus manufacturer to respond to new security threats and actually protect their loyal (myself included) customers from these nasty things. Think that's enough... isn't it? :] (I cannot even start to count how many times I was saved from a new nasty malware because of Kaspersky's active and updated protection! It's a Russian miracle! Hehe). I love it.
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post 2.12.2005 06:46
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QUOTE(Ivorr @ Dec 1 2005, 09:27 PM)
Kaspersky simply KILLS Norton. It uses better and newer technologies, it's detection rate is higher in possibly every kind of malware and viroses imaginable and (as already said...) is also a lot lighter on the system resources than Norton and also is the world's fastest Anti-Virus manufacturer to respond to new security threats and actually protect their loyal (myself included) customers from these nasty things. Think that's enough... isn't it? :]  (I cannot even start to count how many times I was saved from a new nasty malware because of Kaspersky's active and updated protection! It's a Russian miracle! Hehe). I love it.
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Ivorr,

Although this discussion is uniquely inappropriate for this particular subforum, it is useful to examine objective facts when they are available.

As for tests, the most comprehensive and objective one that I know of is www.av-comparatives.org. Examine the reports closely. For all practical purposes, demand detection statistics are identical. Retrospective results favor KAV, but KAV is not best-in-class here.

Norton has a major Achilles heel, and that is its LiveUpdate module. It doesn't have the stability it should. However, KAV is not without periodic problems either, all products have them.

Lest everyone forget, the change in update strategy this year bordered on a major fiasco and left many exposed for an extended period. In my own installations, an update can fail and bring KAV down with nary a whimper. It can also incur more substantial issues and yield an unrecognized inability to update. These issues have been documented by a number of posters here and at the Ice Systems KAV forum. In my own case I've had machines with signatures almost 3 weeks out of date.

I own multiple KAV WS licenses and vastly prefer it over Norton myself. However, simple examination of the facts says that both products, along with with some others, occupy the top tier of AV performance. It is not a category reserved for a single product.

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post 2.12.2005 08:26
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QUOTE(BlueZannetti @ Dec 2 2005, 01:46 AM)
Ivorr,

Although this discussion is uniquely inappropriate for this particular subforum, it is useful to examine objective facts when they are available.

As for tests, the most comprehensive and objective one that I know of is www.av-comparatives.org.  Examine the reports closely.  For all practical purposes, demand detection statistics are identical.  Retrospective results favor KAV, but KAV is not best-in-class here.

Norton has a major Achilles heel, and that is its LiveUpdate module.  It doesn't have the stability it should.  However, KAV is not without periodic problems either, all products have them.

Lest everyone forget, the change in update strategy this year bordered on a major fiasco and left many exposed for an extended period.  In my own installations, an update can fail and bring KAV down with nary a whimper.  It can also incur more substantial issues and yield an unrecognized inability to update.  These issues have been documented by a number of posters here and at the Ice Systems KAV forum.  In my own case I've had machines with signatures almost 3 weeks out of date.

I own multiple KAV WS licenses and vastly prefer it over Norton myself.  However, simple examination of the facts says that both products, along with with some others,  occupy the top tier of AV performance.  It is not a category reserved for a single product.

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You're absolutely right about this category not being reserved for a single product. However, when you plus all the meriths and areas in which KAV performs in a high level of satisfaction, the choice is quite obvious: KAV is OVERALL superior as a whole package "in itself" (specially in the future KIS' case) than Norton's as far as the overall feeling of satisfaction goes. I'm not saying KIS is perfect. FAR from it (if you "look back in time" it's possible to reach some of the most annoying critics directed to KLabs 'ever' " heh. I don't expect the most complete perfection comming out of this product, but I'm highly satisfied with it since a long time. It's stronger on things Norton simply misses (Like for example the attack against TROJAN HORSES - a big annoyance of mine in the past, in a time when I DID use Norton among many other Anti-Virus manufactors and vendors). I understand your concern about the all-around caution rounding the Anti-virus, but I'm still happy enough with KAV to put it in a higher level than all it's competitors (with the exception of AVK). Anyway, i agree with many things you've just said and respect your oppinion, which's based on numbers; on facts.
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post 2.12.2005 09:39
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QUOTE(Ivorr @ Dec 2 2005, 02:26 PM)
(if you "look back in time" it's possible to reach some of the most annoying critics directed to KLabs 'ever' " heh
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When? and what was said?

I think KAV kills NAV i used to use NAV before i ever heard of Kaspersky, then one day i realised it was shit and decided to test some AVs i downloaded a file with 200 virii in one, KAV came out best it detected about 180 and norton detected something like 120, at the time i also had access to 0 day trojans and was marvelled at Kasperskys response time(2 hours?), i was sure they bookmarked every trojan site and kept a sharp eye on them, one other thing, NAV used to purposely produce false positives for trojan clients whereas KAV didnt.
but for some reason KAV now detects trojan clients.. why KL? mellow.gif

As for what gets stocked on shelves, I was looking at an AV section at a big eletronics store last week just for amusement, funnily enough ZoneAlarm pro was there, A friend of a friend once broke into a zone alarm protected computer with subseven using brute force, the screenshot was posted on a security website back in 2000, i might have it on my old HDD or on a CD-R somewhere but i dont think i will be seeing it again.
They also had really cheesy looking noname $20 AV and Anti-trojan programs, the boxing was like a 50's style nofrills i-cant-believe-its-not-butter product.
I think its just pathetic, NAV is a perfect example of how all a company has to do is just throw money around to get there product to sell no matter how good or bad the product is.

Mandriva Linux 2006 also claims in there installation that Symantec Partition Magic has issues and should not be used.
Symantecs strength isnt quality its quantity they have a wide product range, I remember using Norton internet security 2000 and norton system works 2000, they seemed like good products but from what 7of9 said i doubt there 2006 products are as good.
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Khabarov   Kaspersky vs Norton   2.12.2005 04:06
TonyW   Norton gets pre-installed on many machines when yo...   2.12.2005 04:12
Chuck_IV   QUOTE(TonyW @ Dec 1 2005, 07:12 PM)Norton get...   2.12.2005 05:01
thelostsoul   Norton looks nice, and is verypowerfull, but is th...   2.12.2005 04:24
7of9   yes, Norton is only #1 seller AV b/c it's the ...   2.12.2005 05:10
abuttayeb   Dont be fooled by the so called "good" r...   2.12.2005 05:45
Leo Max   QUOTE(abuttayeb @ Dec 1 2005, 05:45 PM)Dont b...   2.12.2005 05:49
Ivorr   Kaspersky simply KILLS Norton. It uses better and ...   2.12.2005 06:27
BlueZannetti   QUOTE(Ivorr @ Dec 1 2005, 09:27 PM)Kaspersky ...   2.12.2005 06:46
Ivorr   QUOTE(BlueZannetti @ Dec 2 2005, 01:46 AM)Ivo...   2.12.2005 08:26
MaFi0s0   QUOTE(Ivorr @ Dec 2 2005, 02:26 PM)(if you ...   2.12.2005 09:39
mvdu   QUOTE(MaFi0s0 @ Dec 2 2005, 12:39 AM)As for w...   2.12.2005 09:52
MaFi0s0   QUOTE(mvdu @ Dec 2 2005, 03:52 PM)Wow, intere...   2.12.2005 09:57
Ivorr   QUOTE(MaFi0s0 @ Dec 2 2005, 04:39 AM)When? an...   2.12.2005 19:22
Sanja   QUOTE(MaFi0s0 @ Dec 2 2005, 06:39 AM)When? an...   4.12.2005 18:15
MaFi0s0   QUOTE(Sanja @ Dec 5 2005, 12:15 AM)>the bo...   4.12.2005 18:53
Sanja   QUOTE(MaFi0s0 @ Dec 4 2005, 03:53 PM) thats w...   4.12.2005 20:35
MaFi0s0   QUOTE(Sanja @ Dec 5 2005, 02:35 AM)lol..this ...   4.12.2005 21:55
saso   QUOTE(MaFi0s0 @ Dec 4 2005, 06:55 PM)the pict...   5.12.2005 00:26
MaFi0s0   QUOTE(saso @ Dec 5 2005, 06:26 AM)AFAIK dell ...   5.12.2005 00:40
Marik   I used Norton 2003 before...and then one day it ex...   2.12.2005 08:19
bigc73542   Don't get me wrong I am running Kav5 but if y...   2.12.2005 09:33
mvdu   NIS still runs heavier on my machine. Just looking...   2.12.2005 09:42
MaFi0s0   btw subseven crew, sdbot creator, psychward creato...   2.12.2005 09:44
Chuck_IV   QUOTE(bigc73542 @ Dec 2 2005, 12:33 AM)Don...   2.12.2005 18:29
bigc73542   QUOTE(Chuck_IV @ Dec 2 2005, 08:29 AM)Sorry B...   4.12.2005 05:19
Ivorr   QUOTE(bigc73542 @ Dec 2 2005, 04:33 AM)Don...   2.12.2005 19:18
thelostsoul   Here are the facts bigc: I just installed NIS...   2.12.2005 09:40
MaFi0s0   @original post now that its cleared up that you m...   2.12.2005 23:08
GIR   Alot of PC's come preinstalled with Norton Sec...   4.12.2005 07:03
wkmaurom   Hi, for my opinion it is not possible to compare a...   4.12.2005 07:08
Logan   I used to use NIS 2005, used it for quite awhile, ...   4.12.2005 09:31
Graf   QUOTE(Logan @ Dec 4 2005, 08:31 AM)I'm th...   4.12.2005 19:22
c4p0ne   QUOTE(Graf @ Dec 4 2005, 05:22 PM)Because KAV...   4.12.2005 20:53
grnic   QUOTE(c4p0ne @ Dec 4 2005, 06:53 PM)Which bri...   4.12.2005 21:29
c4p0ne   Some of you here on this forum may know me persona...   4.12.2005 15:21
wkmaurom   Excellent I deduce c4pOne I would never have been ...   4.12.2005 15:31
Logan   My question wasn't answered above so I'll ...   4.12.2005 17:32
Schnitzel   QUOTE(Logan @ Dec 4 2005, 12:32 PM)My questio...   4.12.2005 17:43
BlueZannetti   QUOTE(Logan @ Dec 4 2005, 08:32 AM)My questio...   4.12.2005 18:57
Logan   lol good point, I'll try it and see.   4.12.2005 19:52


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